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March 15

Discovery - Superhumans

 
The discovery channel recently aired "The Real Superhumans and the Quest for the Future Fantastic," witness the amazing stories of real people with extraordinary super powers. http://www.discoveryhd.ca/shows/castlist.aspx?sid=4608 
 
The Real Superhumans and the Quest for the Future Fantastic
 
Rüdiger Gamm of Welzheim, Germany, is The Human Calculator! At 35 years old, he can instantly solve complex mathematical formulas inside his head. Gamm can multiply higher powers and divide two prime numbers to 60 decimals - 84 to the power of 17; 42 to the power of 100; 31 divided by 61.
 
Elisabeth Sulser - 'The Synaesthete'
Elizabeth Sulser, of Zurich, Switzerland, is a 29-year old synaesthete. Synaesthesia is an extremely rare neurological condition characterized by the fusing of senses. For Sulser, this means the involuntary fusion of sound, sight and taste.
 
Esref Armagan - 'The Blind Painter'
Esref Armagan, of Ankara, Turkey, is a 53-year-old blind painter. Blind since birth, Armagan is a gifted visual artist who can draw and paint in three dimensions; drawing comparisons to Renaissance architect Filippo Brunelleschi, the first artist to master three point perspective.
 
Wim Hof - 'The Iceman'
Wim Hof, a 47-year-old man who lives in Amsterdam, Netherlands, is the Iceman. Hof can endure extreme cold temperatures and has broken two world records to prove it. He once spent more than an hour buried up to his neck in ice. Then, only a few weeks later, he swam under the surface of a frozen lake for more than 50 metres wearing only trunks and goggles.
 
October 08

Dancing girl

Do you see the dancer spin clockwise or anti-clockwise?
 
 
 
Clockwise indicates that you are focusing with your right brain; anti-clockwise indicates left brain.  You can change spin directions, if you focus on the shadow of a while & then watch her dance the opposite direction.
May 11

LINKHOLE: Cognitive Ergo, Austistic Mind, Stroop Effect

  • Cognitive Ergonomist:  I believe that one of my core strength is "synthesizing & presenting complex multiple viewpoints in an easily consumable fashion" particularly as mental models.  I came across this interesting term Cognitive Ergonomist - "one who specializes in information design—the best way to present complex information".  Fascinating stuff...I am going to find out more about this.   
  • TIME MAG - Inside The Autistic Mind: TIME magazine, May 15, 2006 - is featuring a cover story Inside the Autistic Mind (needs subscription). A fascinating read on latest research, facts and reasoning behind this condition.  I am glad to see that there is increasing awareness and sense of appreciation for Autistic people.
  • Stroop Effect: Don't read the words (below), try say the color of these words as fast as you can
         RED BLUE GREEN YELLOW PINK ORANGE
    faciniated with the results? checkout Reading Color Names  
  • Distractions ease Dread: Recent brain study suggests that distraction can help ease dread.

 ~ Srinath

May 01

C-State and F-State

In his book CrazyBusy : Overstretched, overbooked, and about to snap: Strategies for coping in a world gone ADD,  Dr. Edward M. Hallowell talks about being too busy seems necessary & unavoidable in this modern age and it becomes an habit, leads to postpone or cut shorts what really matters to you most. This makes you a slave to lifesyste so busy that you don’t take time to decide what actually does matter most to you.  There are many take-aways in this book of which C-State & F-State was particularly interesting.
 
C-State is clear, calm, cool, collected, consistent, concentrated, convivial, careful, curious, creative, courteous, and coordinated. On the other hand, F-State fractuces focus and is frenzied, feckless, flailing, fearful, forgetful, flustered, furious, fractious, feverish, and frantic.  
 
In C-State you found your rhythm, in F-State you have lost it. The overloaded world that we live in makes it is easy to move from C-State to F-State, in which time and attention can be depleted before the day's work has even begun.  F-State resembles ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder).   Life is a powerful accelerator these days; what separates the successful from the frustrated is the quality of their brakes and their ability to use them.  The challenge of modern life, even for people who do not have ADD, is to learn how to put on the brakes.
 
Whether you call this ADD, F-State, attention deficit trait, or just modern life, the goal should be turn all this into an advantage.  The author uses the same techniques that he uses for his ADD patients to teach how preserve C-State and if you lose it, to get from F-State to C-State.
 
[Watchout for Updates with few Solutions to cope in this CrazyBusy world]
April 20

AJ – Autobiographical memory

Today morning NPR while I was driving to work there was short segment about AJ (fictitious name to preserve her identity) about her remarkable autobiographical memory. She vividly remembers all her past personal daily events/details (How the house smelled; which restaurant she went on a randomly chosen day, etc) dating back to 1974.   Interestingly she had trouble remembering poetry, history dates in school and she writes down her grocery list.  She doesn’t use any conventional memorizing techniques (mnemonics, peg system etc) she just feels it – like going back in time to any given moment. Neuro-scientists say this is a remarkable and a rare phenomenon will open a whole new avenue of research in the study of learning and memory.
 
~ Srinath
March 29

Brittany Maier - Austistic Music Savant

I had blogged about Savants here & here, and I came across another savant Brittany Maier - who is blind, mentally retarded and autistic. Brittany has more than 20,000 songs in her memory. Watch her video.
 
Andrew Adesman, a developmental specialist at Long Island Jewish Medical Center, says, "It's not very well understood but there does seem to be an increased incidence of musical savants among individuals who are blind. In musical savants, it seems to be evident in children who have a problem in the midline of the brain, there seems to be a relationship between optic nerve damage or underdevelopment and musical giftedness." 
 
~ Srinath
 
 
March 28

Problem Solving Viewpoints

Different people preceive the world differently -- due to differences in mental models, assumptions, biases, strengths, weaknesses.  Following is one such example:
 
~ Srinath

LINKHOLE: Remote Viewing, Freud, Brain portal

  • Remote Viewing: I came across this procedure in the Suspect Zero. This technique (ability to describe a remote location) was developed by parapsychologists at Standford Research Institue for CIA in 1972.  This program was declassified in 2003 and today there are books & community around this controvertial psychic phenomena.
  • Sigmund Freud: Newsweek's honored the father of psychoanalysis on his 150th B'Day by running a cover page article.
  • Mind and Brain Portal: Recently Wikipedia launched the Mind and Brain portal.  Covering a broad range of articles on this subject. Good Stuff!

~ Srinath

March 21

Harry Kahne: The Man With The Multiple Mind

Harry Kahne can do multiple things simultaneously. Sounds simple, because you can talk on the phone & write a note at the same time?  How about -- writing with both hands, both feet, and mouth simultaneously?
 
Thanks to Strand Magazine, his 1925 publication - The Multiple Mentality Course is now available online
 
~ Srinath
 
March 20

LINKHOLE: Speed Reading, Podcast, mind map...

  • Speed Reading: For those who are interested in increasing their ability to read faster and gain better comprehension eyeQ is an interesting product to explore. Try their free online demo (turn off your pop-up blockers to watch the demo).
  • Self Psychological tests: Psychology Today provides a broad category of self tests.
  • Hypnosis scripts: HypnosisDownloads provides 170+ professional-hypnosis downloadable audio & scripts for subscribers.
  • All in the Mind:  ABC Radio National podcast on mind, brain & behavior is worth subscribing.
  • Mind Mapping: Mind maps helps capture your ideas & thinking in a manner that you can understand and recall.  There are many software tools to help you create mind maps; here is one that I have tried - freemind.
  • Vedic Math Tutorial: Based on ancient Indian system of mathematics to perform complex mental math problems. Here is a tutorial on this subject.
  • MiscBeatcalc ; International Mental Calculation Forum ; Logic Tutorial ; memorize scripture ; index of articles from supermemo site

~ Srinath

March 04

BrainMan - Daniel Tammet

Did you get a chance to watch the Discovery channel show BrainMan -- about the incredible Daniel Tammet, who amazed with his Savant abilities?  Unfortunately I watched only from the middle -- his skills were tested at Vegas, then with Brain researchers testing his Math skills & finally learn language of Iceland (considered the most complex language) in 7 days & attend an interview on their national TV.  I am waiting for the The Real RainMan show due this spring about the world famous Kim Peek. Described as 'a living Google' & inspired the movie Rain Main played by Dustin Hoffman.
 
At the tail end of the show they mentioned about Dr. Darold Treffert who dedicated his life studying Savant Syndrome. Interesting site & resources.
 
~ Srinath
 
 
February 27

Technorati Profile

Setting up a Technorati Profile for my blog.
February 08

Teaching BINARY using Socratic Method

Came across a facinating article on teaching a 3rd grader student binary arithmetic using Socratic Method (Teaching by asking, instead of telling) - http://www.garlikov.com/Soc_Meth.html 
 
~ Srinath Vasireddy
December 19

RANDOM: Jaw, CCA, RAT & SORP

Random but interesting things that I came across recently:
  • Jaw: During my regular annual dental clean-up my dental hygienist said that Jaw joint is the only structure in human body that can move forwards & sideward...that was just fascinating.
  • Cross Consistency Assessment:  Using the technique of cross consistency assessment (CCA) (Ritchey, 2002), the system however does allow for reduction, not by reducing the number of variables involved, but by reducing the number of possible solutions through the elimination of the illogical solution combinations in a grid box. [Source: Wikipedia > Morphological Analysis]
  • RAT Test: Does it pass the Relevancy, Accuracy & Timely Test?
  • SORP: Situation, Opportunity, Recommendation & Proposal -- I recently used this frame for presenting a biz proposal PPT to our VP

Srinath

December 11

Deductive & Inductive reasoning

This can be best explained by an example.
 
DEDUCTIVE example
   - Men are mortal
   - Socrates is a man
   - Therefore Socrates is mortal

You present an argument in successive steps. That is,

- The 1st idea makes a statement about a situation that exists in the world today.
- The 2nd idea comments on the subject or the predicate
- And the, 3rd idea states the implications of those two situation existing in the world at the same time.
- Your summary rests heavily on the final point: "Because Socrates is a man he is moral"

INDUCTIVE example
  - French tanks are at the Polish border
  - German tanks are at the Polish border
  - Russian tanks are at the Polish border
  - Poland is about to be invaded by tanks

To Move upward, you draw an inference based on your assessment of what is the same about the points -- i.e., they are all warlike movements against Poland. Thus, your inference would be something like 'Poland is about to be invaded by tanks'

[source: Pyramid Principle, by Barbara Minto]

November 01

Drifters, Pursuers, Achievers & Super Achievers

Steven K. Scott in his Book Mentored By A Millionaire, compares & constrasts 4 types of people when it comes to levels of achievement – Drifters, Pursuers, Achievers & Super achievers:

4 Types of Achievers:

Drifters

Pursuers

Achievers

Super achievers

Go with the flow

Pursue but rarely achieve present goals

Achieve significant outcomes, but rarely extraordinary ones

Consistently achieve extraordinary outcomes by using master strategies for super achievers

Here are few examples:-
How people deal with their Strengths and Weaknesses?

Drifters

Pursuers

Achievers

Super achievers

View Obstacles as insurmountable & give up on opportunities, projects, and dreams when these obstacles appear.

Try to figure out a solution or an alternative approach, but usually give up when a solution isn’t quickly or easily achieved.

Try to increase their know-how & find alternative solutions, and occasionally succeed when pursuing moderate achievement.

Use their lack of know-how & lack of resources as a signal to look outside of themselves and recruit the know-how and resource of others to achieve extraordinary outcome far greater than they could achieve extraordinary outcomes far greater than they could have ever achieved on their own.

How people deal with their Lack of Know-How & Lack of Resources in Relations to their pursuit of an Opportunity, Project or Dream?

Drifters

Pursuers

Achievers

Super achievers

View Obstacles as insurmountable & give up on opportunities, projects, and dreams when these obstacles appear.

Try to figure out a solution or an alternative approach, but usually give up when a solution isn’t quickly or easily achieved.

Try to increase their know-how & find alternative solutions, and occasionally succeed when pursuing moderate achievement.

Use their lack of know-how & lack of resources as a signal to look outside of themselves and recruit the know-how and resource of others to achieve extraordinary outcome far greater than they could achieve extraordinary outcomes far greater than they could have ever achieved on their own.


How People Use or Misuse Their Limited Resource of Time and Money?

Drifters

Pursuers

Achievers

Super achievers

Fail to accurately assess the value of their limited resources and squander those resources by simply doing what comes naturally.

Their resources are consumed by the demands of the moment and by their focus on instant gratification rather than the wise allocation of limited resources.

Accurately assess & value their limited resources but fail to effectively & strategically expand those resources

Accurately assess and value their limited resources and try their hardest to expand those resources

However, they try to expand their resources from within thought better investing, spending, and saving, rather than by strategically recruiting outside resources

Accurately assess and value their limited resources.

Seek outside counsel in how they allocate their resources.

Most importantly they are very quick to effectively and strategically recruit outside resources.

They realize that this is the fastest and most effective way of expanding their limited resources.

They also seek lots of outside counsel to make sure they make the best use of their limited resources rather than simply accepting a good use of those resources.

 

How people deal with Problems, Setbacks, and Potential or Realized Failures?

Drifters

Pursuers

Achievers

Super achievers

Quickly change course, retreat, or give up and move on to the next project

If they see hope of overcoming the problem or reversing a failure, they try harder, making additional attempts to succeed, before giving up.

Try their hardest to overcome problems and setbacks and power their way through failure to succeed in one way or another. They only surrender to failure when they know they cannot succeed.

Approach each important project expecting problems, setbacks, and potential failure to block, their path to success.  They utilize their partnering skills to draw on the creative input and resources of others to creatively persist thought each problem until they succeed one way or another. If they discover that a project is a 3-legged[horse, they shoot-it rather than race it.


The book starts with identifying, contacting and learning from skilled mentors the necessary skills & strategies to become a super achiever.  It also touches upon various attributes of successful people - Vision Mapping, Overcoming constraints, Presentation & effective communication, 20 laws of extraordinary successful people and the list goes on.  Every chapter ends with "Action for Traction" section to help master topics covered in the chapter.

~ Srinath Vasireddy

October 29

VASIREDDY heritage

My last name (family name) is VASIREDDY.  I recall my father telling me that my fore fathers were kings; however, never had a chance to learn about my family history. Until recently, I came across vasireddy dynasty web site. 

The 1st vasireddy record in history dates back to 14th century A.D. (1413 A.D to be precisely). Among all the rulers Raja Vasireddy Venkatadri Naidu (picture/painting below) is famous and ruled 33 years. He borne on 27th April 1761 and his parents Sri Vasireddy Jagganna and Smt Achamma. He was assumed charge in 1783 at Chintapalli. Later he crossed Krishna river and made Amaravathi as his capitol till his death. He is a well named philanthropist he built so many temples, Amaravathi, Managalagiri, Chebrolu (my father is from this village), Ponnuru, Vijayawada, Srisailam and other places.

 
Raja Vasireddy Venkatadri Naidu (1783-1816 AD) 

  
I have been to Chebrolu (my father's birth pace) probably 7 times or less.   This small village has amazing & rarest temples on earth; unfortunately, poorly maintained by the government (when I last visited -- 1992?).  It has one of the rarest temples on the earth -- Chathurmukha Brahma temple. The temple is situated in the middle of the temple tank. It has a Shiva Linga which has four images of Brahma carved on its sides. The temple can be reached through a bridge across the waters of the tank., and also a huge single stone carved  Nandieswara is located adjacent to the temple.
 
It makes me feel humble to know that I am figment of this rich heritage.
 
~ Srinath Vasireddy 
 
 
October 28

Doctors Without Borders

Today is the last day for the giving campaign (matching gift program from MS); just as last year, my donations went to one of my favorite charity organization DoctorsWithoutBorders.
October 23

Blind, mental impariment & musical Genius...is there a connection?

On Sunday Oct-23-2005 the CBS aired the show Revisiting Rex on 60 minutes.  The episode started with Rex Lewis-Clack who played Beethoven before he could say mommy. Now 10 he lacks basic social skills & can't button a button; however, he has an extraordinary ability to recognize musical notes. The show continues to show other music savants.  In case you missed it, the complete transcript is available on site.  This is one of those mysteries of the mind that we are yet to unravel. It is equally important to note that behind all these extraordinary people, there is extraordinary support. For ex. Rex’s mom Cathleen a Stanford graduate who became a high-fashion model in Paris, and then a currency options trader, she was on the fast-track. Now divorced, she takes care of Rex on her own.
 
~ Srinath
 
October 05

Crucial Conversations

Created a mind map -
 
ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW I CAN SHARE ENLARGED IMAGES, WITHOUT GOING THRU LOT OF HOOPS?  meanwhile if you desperately need this image ping me at srinathv AT microsoft dotcom
 
 
 
September 16

Choosing is Confusing

I came across an interesting book in teen section at the library Choosing Is Confusing: How to Make Good Choices, Not Bad Guess by Claudine G. Wirths & Mary Bowman-Kruhm. Here is an illustration & text from the book that I though worth sharing
 
 
Since the temperament influences the choices people prefer, here are 4 basic temperament types might look at the problem of choosing the menu for the party:
 
- Wait a minute. Before we decide we need to look at what the people who will be there like to eat.  In choosing, this person is thinking about how others feel.
- Let's have the same food we had at the last part.  This person is relying on past experience & traditions in making a choice.
- Okay, let's choose and get on with it. This person wants to choose quickly and move on.
- Hold on. I need to know more.  This person likes to make a thoughful choice.
 
 
Srinath
 
September 01

Stages of development of Critical Thinking

Richard Paul & Linda Elder in their book - 'Critical Thinking: Tools for Talking Charge of Your Learning and Your Life' talk about different stages of developement of critical thinking. They say..."Most of us are not what we could be. We are less. We have great capacity, but most of it dormant; most is undeveloped." What level of thinker are you?
 
  • Unreflective Thinker – we are unaware of significant problems in our thinking
  • Challenged Thinker – We become aware of problems in our thinking
  • Beginning Thinker – We try to improve but without regular practice
  • Practicing Thinker – We recognize the necessity of regular practice
  • Advance Thinker – We advance in accordance with our practice
  • Master Thinker – Skilled and insightful thinking become second nature to us
Unreflective Thinker -  Try answering these questions & if you are having trouble answering then you may well be at the unreflective stage in your development as thinker:
  • Can you describe the role thinkingis playing in your life? (Be clear & detailed as you can)
  • What was a recent assumption you made (that you should not have made)?
  • What is a recent concept you formed (that you previously lacked)?
  • List 5 inferences you made in the last hour?
  • Name and explain a point of view that you sometimes use to guide your thinking
  • Briefly describe how you analyze & assess thinking
  • Name some intellectual standards you use. Explain how you apply them

At this stage we have no useful conception of what thinking entails. We don't notice that we are continously making & justifying assumptions, forming concepts, drawing inferences, and thinking within points of view. At this stage many problems in our lives are caused by poor thinking, we think our beliefs are true, we think our decisions are sound & we lack intellectual traits.

 

[Watchout for Updates]

 
~ Srinath
August 29

Congnitive Functions - most & least vulnerable with age

Aaron P. Nelson (Chief of Neuropsychology, division of cognitive & behavioral neurology, Brigham & Women's Hospital) the author of - The Harvard Medical School Guide To Achieving Optimal Memory in one of the chapters answers the following 2 questions:
  • Which Congnitive functions are most vulnerable to aging? functions that are prone to age-related difficulties:
    • Working memory. Ability to hold & manipulate info in mind is reduced.  For ex. remembering a phone number & then dialing, comparing the price per ounce of 2 items
    • Processing speed. Speed of processing is slowed, this is one of the major theory of age-related cognitive change, called the processing speed theory. For ex. ability to keep pace in conversation or other communications that need to be processed on the spot.
    • Attention to detail. When you learn new info, you may take in the big picture, or gist, as well as someone half your age, but you might not absorb as many details.
    • Declarative memory. Trouble forming declarative memory, specifically finding it harder to remember verbal facts (names of people, places or objects) & spatial info (directions & locations)
    • Source memory. It becomes harder to recall when & where a specific event occurred, a type of memory referred to as a source memory. For ex. you may remember parking your car, but not recall precisely where. you remember eating at your favourite restaurant, but you may be unable to recall if you went 2 months ago or 4 months ago.
    • Multitasking. It becomes more difficult to multitask--talking on phone, while working on computer.
    • Visuospatial processing. Complex visual & construction tasks, such as assembling 3D puzzles & drawing intricate geometric designs are more of a challenge.
  • Which Congnitive functions are Age-Resistant?  There are many domains of thinking that are resilient to aging:
    • Attention.  The ability to focus & sustain attention is relatively unchanged by the aging process
    • Language. We retain a rich knowlege of words, its meaning & maintain the ingrained rules for how to combine workds into meaningful linguistic structures as we age.
    • Procedural memory. The skills & procedures for doing certain things. For ex. riding a bicycle.
    • Reasoning. Aging has no effect on your ability to make sense of what you know, to form reasonable judgement, & to construct solid arguments.
    • Willpower. Your drive to accomplish is undimished by changes in the brain. With extra effort to concentrate & learn -- you will be able to recall it as well as a younger person can
    • Creativity. You retain the drive to express yourself through art, communication or by trying new ways of doing things.
    • Wisdom. There's is a reason that we oftne associate wisdom with advancing years: the capacityh to extract meaning from information & knowledge from experience & to offer insights remains unscatherd & may in fact improve with the passage of time.

~ Srinath

August 28

Schacter's 7 sins of memory

Daniel Schacter (a Prof of Psychology at Harvard Univ) in his book - The Seven Sins of Memory covers the following seven categories:
  • Transience.  Information stored in short-term memory is transient. This is the info that you forget as soon as you acquire it.  For ex. forgetting names in a meeting within couple of minutes/seconds.
  • Absentmindedness. Information that didn't sufficiently register in the first place. For ex. forgetting where you put your keys; however, never forgetting something significant as turning off the ignition before getting out of your car.
  • Blocking. Information that is at the tip-of-your-tongue, but you just can't think of it. For ex. Unable to recall a song/music/actor-name from a movie.
  • Misattribution. This refers to mistaking the source of a specific memory. For ex. You might have heard a store is closing in your neighborhood and you may believe you saw a sign on the window; however, in reality there was no such sign, rather, a neighbor told you the news.
  • Suggestibility. This refers to the vulerability of 'latecomer'. For ex. you thinks the goal should'nt count because the football player touched the ball, but later when you see the replay you now see that hand didn't touch the football.
  • Bias. This refers to the distortion of memory by the unique prespective of the rememberer. For ex. If you ask a friend of what he/she remembers of high school graduation, chances are two won't remember it in the same way.
  • Persistence. This refers to continously revisit a memory. For ex. something midly annoying like a song that sticks in your head.

[update:8/30/2005] Krishnan asked for remedies for overcoming the 7 memory impairments.  I returned the book to the library so I don’t have specifics from the author; however, here are few basic suggestions from top of my head

  • Remedies for Transience - Sharpen you short-term memory. One of the best books that I have seen dedicated on improving your short-term memory is Intelligent Memory by Dr. Gary Gorden.  The book has ton of samples to exercise you scratch pad memory (another term for short-term memory).  In essence it boils down to: Enhance Attention – focusing, building memory patterns so your recognition becomes lightning fast,   author says the issue is ‘not forgetting’ the issue is ‘not paying attention’ so pay attention. Then he talks about techniques such as Chunking, elaboration, Mnemonics, Repeating & Rehearsing.  The goal is move info that is important to next level…here is the Order of committing: Temporary memory -> ordinary memory -> permanent memory
  • Remedies for Absentmindedness - simple solution is to use a to-do-list.
  • Remedies for Blocking – read my previous entry on Tips to Overcome Mental Blocks
  • Remedies for Misattribution – one strategy is when you are focusing on new info, ask yourself five Ws: Who told me this? What was the content of the info? When did this happen? Where was I when I encountered this info? Why is this important to remember?
  • Remedies for Suggestibility – therapy
  • Remedies for Bias – you memory is not a video recorder to objectively memorize, having an open mind would be a starting point
  • Remedies for Persistence – let it run its course, don’t resist until it finally recedes. The more you try to resist the more you it keeps coming.

Srinath

August 22

Priority & Time

I had an epiphany this morning that I want to share -- I am sure you have said this or heard people say this "...Sorry I didn't get time to ...; ...I didn't find time; ...sorry I was too busy".  Here my suggestion, next time replace Time with Priority.  If you are in a culture where people don't get offended saying it openly, else atleast make it a point to say it to yourself "...Sorry you were not in my priority list; ...sorry it was not top of my priority". The key is observe HOW YOU FEEL, WHEN YOU SAY THAT and just reflect why you are feeling a sense of guilt (if you are feeling that way) or not.  Doing that often, you will start thinking more about priorities than before (if you are person who often says you don't have time as an execuse/reason).
 
let me know if that works or breaks ~ Srinath
 

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